A chronology of my MH17 posts in various forums ----------------------------------------------------- 20140719 http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/memories-recollection-guesses-and.html?showComment=1405746055379#c7582151653503102022 My comment: I am very concerned about the following report from Strelkov, if it is true: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.it/2014/07/evidence-continues-to-emerge-mh17-is.html Igor Strelkov is the commander of Separatist military forces. Here he is passing on eyewitness reports to him of the state of bodies in the wreckage. So this is unconfirmed information, but has truly horrific implications if true. -----Extract----- #9 - 11:53-12:40 – July 18, 2014 – Information Regarding the Boeing from Igor Strelkov Igor Strelkov: According to the information received from the people who collected the corpses, a large number of the corpses are “not fresh” – these are people who died a few days ago. I cannot vouch for complete accuracy of this information – of course, we will have to wait for conclusions from forensic specialists. - “Somebody of course must have been piloting this plane, which, to boot, would be impossible to leave. The theory that the plane was full of dead people is, of course, breathtaking; however, it does not seem to make sense.” Igor Strelkov: First of all, not all the people in the plane were dead prior to the fall. Second, a large quantity of medication, including blood serum and so forth, was found in the airplane, which is not characteristic of a regular airliner. It looks like there was some kind of special medical cargo on board. -----End extract----- The Novorussian side should consider the possibility, that the plane was deliberately loaded with contagious biological agents. Dead bodies and serum infected with something from the bio-labs of the NWO Satanists. Targeted population cull in action. From their point of view a long latency before appearance of symptoms would be ideal, so the present lack of symptoms means nothing. Remember, Ebola is loose already, so there is a backstory. It would be wise to immediately send samples in full quarantine to Russian medical researchers. Also attempt precautionary isolation of all those who contacted the crash site and victims. I realize this will be impossible, but try anyway. It may gain you time. Pray it's not something airborne, that was spread on the winds from 30,000 feet high. Document the state of the bodies, and begin public warnings that this may have been a biological attack, using the shootdown. Are the identifiable bodies actually those on the passenger list? If yes, investigate their movements in the days prior to supposedly boarding the flight. They can't have been both dead on a gurney somewhere, while also taking a taxi to the airport. Also collect serial numbered parts from the wreckage and check against aircraft timed-replacement maintenance records. Is that actually Flight MH17, or is this yet another swapped plane? It is conceivable that the expected passengers really boarded MH17, which took off as normal, then a look-alike plane switched flight paths with it as the legitimate MH17 was remotely commandeered and flown to a secret landing somewhere. There is still the mystery of that Boeing 777 Malaysian Airlines look-alike plane parked in a hangar in Israel since last year. Hence the need to firmly identify the deceased, and verify the identity of the plane beyond doubt. Something horrific like this, is exactly what I'd expect from the US-Zionists. TerraHertz PS I am sorry to have to suggest this. http://everist.org/archives/links/__20140717_MH17_shootdown_info.txt http://everist.org/archives/links/__Flight_MH370_disappearance_links.txt http://everist.org/archives/links/__Ebola_links.txt ----------------------------------------------------- 20140720 Post in http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-19/full-passenger-and-cargo-manifest-flight-mh-17 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-19/full-passenger-and-cargo-manifest-flight-mh-17#comment-4978837 It's an inescapable conclusion that the action was pre-planned and deliberate, by elements of the Kiev government. Supporting details: The Spanish ATC's live tweets of events at Kiev airport, which revealed the Kiev Interior Ministry ordered the shootdown while the Defense Ministry only learned of it after the event. The flight path of that particular flight being shifted into the conflict zone (unlike the same flight on the 10 preceding days.) The plane being accompanied by 2 Ukie fighter jets till a couple of minutes before the shootdown. The strike point being carefully chosen so the plane would crash in Separatist-held territory rather than a little to the West in Ukie-held ground or a few miles further on in Russia. That military sigint would definitely identify the kind of targeting radar used and even the unit responsible - and sure enough Russia immediately released that it was a BUK-M1 and identified the unit (Ukie army.) Then most damning of all - the Ukie government quickly releasing a video (sound recording) purporting to contain Separatists talking and admitting responsibility, except the edit/creation date embedded in the video was over 20 hours prior to the event. Which really means this was directed by the USA since the Kiev bunch of fascist clowns are a construct of US-CIA efforts. That leaves only the ultimate intent unknown to us observers. The obvious likely candidate intents are: 1. False flag, to be pinned on the Separatists and/or Russia as propaganda. With the extra benefits of distracting attention from Kiev's ongoing military disaster in the Cauldron. Also of giving the Novorussian military structure another headache, hopefully weakening their ability to deal with ongoing tactical operations. Looking at MSM coverage of the disaster, the anti-Russian hysteria and baseless blame-flinging is extreme and disgusting. 2. Either an actual attempt to shoot down Putin's plane (if it really was nearby around the same time, as rumored), or to act as a severed horse's head in Putin's bed. "See, we could kill you." Purpose being to enrage him, causing him to make some rash action in East Ukraine. The Zionist/NWO freaks badly need a major world war, preferably nuclear, before their precious fiat global banking/US dollar scam implodes. Pulling serious Russian military force into Ukraine would allow further false flag nuclear actions that would ensure global nuclear war. That initially seemed to be the whole scope of this shootdown. The unbelievable 'coincidence' that it was another Malaysian Airlines plane fits well, and could be interpreted as ongoing payback to Malaysia, for their attempt to ship the stolen US drone mobile command center to China on MH370. Or even just more Zionist Malaysia-bashing, since Malaysia doesn't toe the Zionist 'Israel is wonderful' line. I hope the Malaysian government takes a lesson from this, learning that whatever understanding they have for remaining silent about the truth of what happened to MH370, won't help them. They are better to tell the world the Truth. Ultimately it is the only way to save Malaysia from the general destruction and ruin the Zionists heap on all who resist them. The only defense is to defeat the Zionists - which Truth would. HOWEVER... a new and even more horrific dimension turned up on Friday the 18th. I'm used to the Zionists being insane murderous bastards, but this.... If it is true, my God... Refer to this report from Strelkov: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.it/2014/07/evidence-continues-to-emerge-mh17-is.html -----Extract----- #9 - 11:53-12:40 – July 18, 2014 – Information Regarding the Boeing from Igor Strelkov Igor Strelkov: According to the information received from the people who collected the corpses, a large number of the corpses are “not fresh” – these are people who died a few days ago. I cannot vouch for complete accuracy of this information – of course, we will have to wait for conclusions from forensic specialists. - “Somebody of course must have been piloting this plane, which, to boot, would be impossible to leave. The theory that the plane was full of dead people is, of course, breathtaking; however, it does not seem to make sense.” Igor Strelkov: First of all, not all the people in the plane were dead prior to the fall. Second, a large quantity of medication, including blood serum and so forth, was found in the airplane, which is not characteristic of a regular airliner. It looks like there was some kind of special medical cargo on board. -----End extract----- If the reports of long-dead bodies and bulk blood serum liquids on the plane are true, one must consider the possibility that the plane was deliberately loaded with contagious biological agents. Dead bodies and serum infected with something from the bio-labs of the NWO Satanists. Targeted population cull in action. From their point of view a long latency before appearance of symptoms would be ideal, so the present lack of symptoms means nothing. Remember, already Ebola is loose in Africa, and Pneumonic Plague in Colorado, so there is a backstory. It would be wise to immediately send samples in full quarantine to Russian medical researchers. Also attempt precautionary isolation of all those who contacted the crash site and victims. I realize this will be impossible, but try. It may gain you time. Pray it's not something airborne, that was spread on the winds from 30,000 feet high. Document the state of the bodies, and begin public warnings that this may have been a biological attack, using the shootdown. Are the identifiable bodies actually those on the passenger list? If yes, investigate their movements in the days prior to supposedly boarding the flight. They can't have been both dead on a gurney somewhere, while also taking a taxi to the airport. If they are NOT the passengers on the list, who are they? And where did the actual MH17 go? Also collect serial numbered parts from the wreckage and check against aircraft timed-replacement maintenance records. Is that actually Flight MH17, or is this yet another swapped plane? For instance, that ex-Malaysian Airlines 777 that's been mysteriously warehoused in Israel since last year. Or even MH370? Something horrific like this, is exactly what I'd expect from the US-Zionists. --- In light of that possibility, there's a new 'minor' detail which takes on great significance. See a reader post in this thread: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-19/full-passenger-and-cargo-manifest-flight-mh-17#comment-4977306 "Interestingly there were exactly 9 years and 11 days inclusive between 7th July 2005 (London bombings) and 17 July 2014 (MH 17) That's 9 11 between 7/7/7 and 7/17/7" Naturally being a Cabal operation it *would* have their usual in-your-face numerological sgnature. Such arseholes. I really think they must have an iphone app or something, that shows 'numerologically auspicious days coming up' for use when planning what to do and when. Of course rational people don't believe the numerology actually means anything, and probably the Cabal doesn't either. It merely provides them a way to 'sign' their actions, as a sort of secret handshake among themselves. But for those of us who recognize they do it, it also provides an identifying marker on such events. Given the huge significance if the bio-attack worry is true, I'm not surprised the shootdown turns out to have a high-level numerological association with previous major Cabal actions. Another thought - if the downed plane wasn't the MH17 that took off, then Strelkov's assumption that it had to contain live and acting pilots is unsound. Strelkov mentions the pilots must have been alive, citing that the cockpit wreckage was covered in their blood. But since it's established that all modern Boeing aircraft are equipped with the capability for remote programming of the autopilot via the transponder (which is a bidirectional radio modem), and the autopilot can totally fly the plane through all phases of flight including takeoff and landing, it's possible that live but unconscious pilots were placed in the cockpit before takeoff. Remember that the crashed plane might not be MH17, and therefore could have taken off somewhere else. Long-dead passenger bodies at the crash site is one kind of mystery, long-dead bodies in the pilot seats is an entirely different kind of mystery and probably rather too revealing for even the Cabalists. They do like their remote controlled passenger jets; such a useful toy. It may be significant that the Separatist forces have apparently suddenly (since Saturday 19th) closed access to the crash site. Perhaps they too have suspicions there may be contagious biohazards there? References: http://everist.org/archives/links/__20140717_MH17_shootdown_info.txt http://everist.org/archives/links/__Flight_MH370_disappearance_links.txt http://everist.org/archives/links/__Ebola_links.txt ----------------------------------------------------- And then there's this. From Sorcha Faal, so who knows... 20140718 http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1784.htm Putin Warns Obama Of “Catastrophic War Game” Minutes Before Malaysian Jet Destroyed By: Sorcha Faal The Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) is reporting today that within 5-minutes of President Putin warning his US counterpart, President Obama, that “war games” being carried out by NATO member Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) forces over Romania could lead to a “potential catastrophe”, Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was destroyed over the eastern conflict region of Ukraine. According to this report, Putin was in flight during his call to Obama returning to Moscow aboard his presidential aircraft from Brazil when he was notified that there were a number of “critical radar anomalies” occurring over EUROCONTROL zones in Central Europe. So... there was radar jamming by NATA fighters going on in the area for some time before the shooting down of MH17? This aligns with the 'bodies dead for some days prior to the crash' item. That can only be so if the plane shot down was substituted for MH17 in-flight. And that requires radar jamming, to mask the approach to flightpath of the stand-in plane and the subsequent diversion of the real MH17 to land somewhere. ----------------------------------------------------- 20140721 My comment in http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/316615 Kiev responsible for Malaysia plane deaths: Putin Kiev Interior Ministry proven guilty The fascists have absolutely proven themselves guilty. The video released on youtube by the Kiev government themselves, claiming to contain a recording of Separatists discussing downing of MH17, was shown almost immediately to have been created over 20 hours _before_ MH17 was shot down. That should have been enough to establish guilt, but has been ignored by the MSM. See htt p://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-releases-youtube-clip-proving-rebels-shot-down-malaysian-flight-mh-17 Now Russian audio experts have examined the recording, and found that it was a rushed edit job, the digital audio retains time stamps proving it was pieced together from fragments, AND that editing occurred a day before the MH17 shoot down. One cannot ask for better proof of foreknowledge (and therefore planning and guilt) than that. The video was released by Kiev, to the internet, very shortly after the crash of MH17. There are copies everywhere, and anyone with audio editing software can verify the contained timestamps which prove Kiev's guilt. See htt p://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741521 There are also the live tweets from the Spanish ATC in Kiev, informing that Interior Ministry troops took over the airport control center immediately after the shootdown, clearly knowing beforehand what had happened and attempting to impose a false story of events. Later a second set of troops (from the Ukraine Army) took over, who seemed shocked to discover just then what had been done. Thoughts on what should happen now: 1. Given such undeniable, inarguable proof of the Kiev junta's guilt, when are the arrests and criminal trials of Kiev officials for mass murder commencing? 2. Regardless of 'should', such arrests and trials won't happen. Not least because those persons would then talk about who in Washington told them to do it. Obama and other elements of the US regime are certain to have been involved. Extreme measures will be taken to ensure their guilt is buried. 3. The last time the White House had such tonnage of egg impacting on face, was when the White House official web site posted Obama's supposed 'real birth certificate'. Which was immediately and undeniably shown to be a rank forgery. Even I could easily open the file in photoshop and see that it was an extremely amateurish fabrication. The result was a snowballing PR cluster-f*ck. To kill it, Obama quickly pulled the 'dead Osama' rabbit out of his hat. They'd been saving that one for a rainy day, and never mind that Osama actually died of natural causes back around Christmass 2001. The 'US Seals kill Osama' media production was also a cluster-f*ck (and the Administration had to kill off all the involved Seals later) but it did manage to deep six the Obama official-fake birth certificate PR disaster. Now they have an even more severe PR disaster. What will the White House pull for a distraction this time? Bearing in mind that the Ukraine war was supposed to kick off WWIII, but Putin didn't take the bait, so in desperation the Zio-fascists tried shooting down an airliner close by Putin's own flight home from BRICS. Hoping to goad Putin. But instead they've not just shot themselves in the foot - they've blown their legs off. 4. There's still the grotesque possibility that the 777 plane shot down, was actually loaded with infected corpses per some reports. If that's true then the event was designed by Kiev and the US government as a horrific biological attack. It remains to be seen if the reports of 'long dead bodies' are true, or they were just stinky due to being burned. Personally I'd assume that soldiers familiar with battle would know the difference between a fresh corpse and one gone ripe over several days. Let's see if the international crash investigators will go anywhere near the crash site, given the assurances of safe passage and request to begin work immediately from the Separatists. If they refuse to go, you can assume it's not bullets they are afraid of. Something that supports that scenario, is a report that NATO planes were performing radar-jamming exercises _again_ in the area shortly before the shoot-down of MH17. Radar jamming would have been necessary for the performance of an in-flight substitution of the plane carrying corpses, for the MH17 that took off originally. Also for spiriting away the real MH17 somewhere. The Zionists are really overplaying this 'hide the airliner' thing lately, aren't they? Off course these speculations are far-fetched and horrible. Hopefully we are not going to start hearing reports of Separatists in the area falling ill with something nasty in the coming weeks, and that really was 'just' MH17 blown from the sky. In any case, Kiev has been proven guilty of murdering everyone on board MH17. They (and their cohorts in Washington) must stand trial. Just remember that if some foul disease breaks out in East Ukraine soon, the guilty in Kiev are _also_ guilty of that. One last point. Staff of the MSM in the west *must* be aware of what bullsh*t stories like "Putin's Missile" are. Yet they aid and abett the guilty. Why shouldn't these scumbags be charged with complicity in the mass murder of MH17's souls? Ref: a chronology of MH17 news links - htt p://everist.org/archives/links/__20140717_MH17_shootdown_info.txt ------------------------- @ ILYANA by TerraHertz on 21.07.2014 [17:08] Actually that crash debris field is very typical of what happens when an airframe impacts vertically at high speed. Ignoring the one faked instance of Flight 93's crash site, all other crash sites of similar impact parameters look much like that. Oops, I noticed some typos in my post above. Oh well... Can't edit. It is immensely depressing to know that despite absolute, irrefutable evidence of Kiev's guilt (and the US administration's) very likely nothing will change. With MH370 many of us had strong suspicions of US government guilt and lying. But no absolute proof. This time it's different. Total proof. Except it isn't different - no one will go to gaol, no government will fall. None of the guilty will even spend time being interrogated by determined, honest investigators. There are none anymore. -------------------------- Oh, and you know what else? by TerraHertz on 21.07.2014 [20:51] So, somewhere in Kiev are people who know all about the planning of the shoot-down of MH17. Who should be arrested and interrogated asap. Before their masters in Washington have them suicided to silence them. Now here's the thing. The video's final edit was about 20 hours before the shoot-down, but the operational planning for this event must have taken place even before that. Probably days, even weeks before. They had to plan how to divert an airliner to fly over the conflict zone, get the BUK-M1 launchers in place, arrange fighter escort for the plane (for whatever reason), set up the NATO radar jamming exercise, and so on. Most significantly, they had plenty of time to choose which flight, which airline, would get the unlucky part in the fascist false-flag production. And they chose Malaysian Airlines. It's probably safe to assume they didn't draw airline names out of a hat, and there was a reason why Malaysian Airlines in particular. Now I can speculate about their reason, and I'd lay money my guess would be correct. However that isn't the point. The point is that they did choose Malaysian Airlines, and the person(s) who made that decision had some reason for their choice. Given that the disappearance of MH370 was just over four months ago, it's fairly safe to assume there's a connection, known to whoever chose Malaysian Airlines this time. Which means, somewhere in Kiev (and/or Washington) there are persons who absolutely should have arrests warrants out for them, for the downing of MH17. AND THOSE PERSONS ALSO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MH370. Some of them may also be culpable for that loss too. If only there was some law enforcement agency with the balls to do their job. Two mass murder crime cases could be solved and justice achieved at once. Not to mention the millions (or billions) saved from dying in the nuclear WWIII the insane Zionist Elites are trying to start by pulling stunts like this. -----------------------------------------------------