http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090603/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane Air France jet likely broke apart above ocean http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25585276-5006003,00.html?from=public_rss Partial passenger list. Better timeline of automatic messages. But this is odd - see pic of oil slick - fine weather! So what's with the stories about 'bad weather delaying search, deployment of mini-subs, etc'? http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre5501pb-us-france-plane/ http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?t=251279 http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1244235892 I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AIR FRANCE FLIGHT 447 Dick Eastman http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/ Air France Flight 447: A detailed meteorological analysis by Tim Vasquez Revised June 4, 2009 http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/comments.shtml Reader comments on above - many very very interesting! Lots of links too - some below. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447.html thread start http://744.hoppie.nl/forum.cgi/noframes/read/16594 http://www.eurocockpit.com/ ------Re ACARS msgs------ http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/06/af447-accident---icing-pitot-t.html Describes original source of the ACARS messages release http://www.pprune.org/4975386-post45.html single post - ACARS msgs http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3410/acarsaf447e.png ACARS msgs http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/acars447.png http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/170669.asp 20090608 Engineer decodes Air France Flight 447 emergency messages http://www.iag-inc.com/premium/acars2.pdf Line by line commenting on the ACARS msgs. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/13/world/13plane.html?_r=1 Error Messages From Air France Jet Offer Details but Little Insight 20090612 http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/06/13/world/13plane.grafic.ready.html http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/06/13/world/13plane-graf01.jpg My posts: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-87.html through http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-91.html http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-91.html#post5003943 http://s635.photobucket.com/albums/uu79/DorianBanks/?newest=1 http://s635.photobucket.com/albums/uu79/DorianBanks/?action=view¤t=AF447-ACARS_1.jpg&newest=1 WTF!? Now an ACARS image turns up that looks like a photo of an original printout. But it's too illegible to have been the source doc for the TV broadcast. -------- http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/02/world/0602-plane-map.html http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/menu/index.htm International Aviation Safety Association (IASA) http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/sp9808.html Related hail/storm events. http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/2601 Air France Flight #447: did weather play a role in the accident? Animated satellite weather images. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aktwfm9fe0NY Air France Searchers Find 3 Bodies; U.S. Navy to Help (Update3) June 8, 2009 http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/08/brazil.plane.crash/index.html?iref=mpstoryview More bodies found. Debris pics. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6479203.ece Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash http://blog.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel Saturday, June 13, 2009 See local copy file://localhost/G:/Personal/MailList_articles/Tom_Heneghan/20090614_Air_france.htm Extract: "P.S. As of this hour, we can report that a corporate-controlled, fascist extortion-friendly American media embargo has been issued against all stories tied to the crash of the Air France Flight 447 that disappeared on its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, France. We can now divulge that a team of twenty-five (25) joint French and U.S. Intelligence agents were assassinated on the Air France flight. They were in possession of smoking gun documents tying the East German Stasi DVD and the Israeli Mossad to the funding of a massive Al Qaeda South American network operating out of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and Buenos Aires, Argentina. ... We can now also divulge that French President Nicolas Sarkozy has sent three more nuclear aircraft carriers that have left port with their destination to the Archipelago of Fernando de Noronha area, which is in the vicinity of the nation of Brazil. These three (3) massive nuclear aircraft carriers include the French carrier Jena, Verdun and one of the most powerful nuclear aircraft carriers in the world, the Charles de Gaulle. Folks, you do not send nuclear aircraft carriers to the Brazilian coast to look for bodies that may have been passengers on the Air France jet." http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=-3.850724,-32.420483&spn=0.076731,0.172005&t=h&z=13 Airstrip at Arquipelago de Fernando de Noronha http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_de_Noronha&ei=DYQ0StivLJnU7APTtInHDw&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=1&ct=result&usg=AFQjCNERWZXUyqcM50bq2-u4aUMIdPFUpA http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.noronha.com.br/&ei=DYQ0StivLJnU7APTtInHDw&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=2&ct=result&usg=AFQjCNF-V_oR9fc57q8AoJpJ26YrTXexZg http://www.smh.com.au/world/doomed-air-france-jet-crashed-suddenly-20090614-c74z.html "According to Germano, who has written a book about air crashes, the images suggested that the Airbus A330 passengers were caught by surprise and the tragedy unfolded so rapidly that the crew did not have the time to react. In the photographs, the seats in the crew area were folded with the seatbelts hanging down, which "suggests that the crew was moving about the passenger cabin. If there had been an alert or a warning about a pending risk, the crew would have been seated," he said." http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/171139.asp Air France Flight 447: What has been found so far, and where 20090606 Wreckage locn: 03 34 08 N 030 27 30 W Due Nth Arquipelago de Sao pedro e Sao Paulo http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquipélago_de_São_Pedro_e_São_Paulo 00° 55' 08" N, 29° 20' 35" W http://stable.toolserver.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=pt&pagename=Arquip%C3%A9lago_de_S%C3%A3o_Pedro_e_S%C3%A3o_Paulo¶ms=00_55_08_N_29_20_35_W_ http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=0.918889,-29.343056&spn=0.3,0.3&t=k&q=0.918889,-29.343056 http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/170607.asp Flight 447: Searchers recover 16 bodies, Air France tail section 20090608 http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/170669.asp Engineer decodes Air France Flight 447 emergency messages 20090608 http://www.iag-inc.com/premium/acars2.pdf Line by line commenting on the ACARS msgs. Still no timing info. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/13/world/13plane.html?_r=1 Error Messages From Air France Jet Offer Details but Little Insight 20090612 http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/06/13/world/13plane.grafic.ready.html http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/06/13/world/13plane-graf01.jpg http://www.eurocockpit.com/ http://www.eurocockpit.com/images/acars447.png http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-72.html http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-67.html ref brazil AF photos: http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/voo447/fotos.php http://jc.uol.com.br/canal/voo-447/noticia/2009/06/13/peca-do-airbus-foi-resgatada-por-navio-de-antigua-e-barbuda-190548.php http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL1184390-5602,00.html http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-06/15/content_11544743.htm http://photobucket.com/af447 http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/voo447/FOTOS/080609/foto_3.jpg The debris fields are already maped and numbered by the BEA. See here: http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/recherches.en.mer.pdf http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Airbus-A330-203/1539421/L/&sid=fe8211c78d9b6ddbfd0db374397515ea F-GZCP (cn 660) Last landing at CDG airport for this airbus A330 Paris - Charles de Gaulle (Roissy) (CDG / LFPG) France, May 31, 2009 20090619 http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/17/air.france.crash/ http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55G1HL20090617 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6523467.ece Airbus computer bug is main suspect in crash of Flight 447 http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-95.html#post5006019 Squawk_ident Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: France Posts: 8 Public communication about aviation accident in France is strictly controlled. There are very few people that will be allowed to speak through any media. Almost only two: Gérard Feldzer is one of them. Former Airbus pilot and instructor on Air France. He is retired and is now the Director of the Musée de L'Air et de l'Espace at le Bourget (very nice museum by the way). François Grangier is the second one. Presented in all the Media as an Airline pilot and aviation accident expert at the BEA. It is almost impossible to know more about FG and particularly what airline employs him. Last time I saw him on TV he said he was just coming back from HKG but no journalist would be impolite enough to ask him on which airline. On some French forum there are (sarcastic) members saying that FG was driving the FGZCP when, while taxiing, it unfortunately cut an A320 horizontal stabilizer. I would therefore tend to think that FG is an AF pilot that is detached to the BEA if needed. Grangier has his own site that you can easily find. These two persons are allowed to speak about airline crash and especially when it happens to a French airplane. Because things are going fast and these two can't be everywhere, we can see others members speaking of the accident aircraft on various media. Always AF pilots and always members of the SNPL (syndicat National des Pilotes de Ligne) Union. All these AF employees can speak freely and say what they want about a disaster involving a (their) company aircraft. FG at the end of a recent French TV talkshow on the 2nd of June ("C dans l'air" on France5 ) said something astonishing but very revealing of his state of mine. At the end of the emission some selected questions from the audience are sent by SMS. One question was about the ability of the submarine's sonar to get an echo from the bottom of the sea. FG sharply answered "Dead bodies doesn't make noise." Unfortunately the broadcasting is not available in its integrality now. But you can see the latest one here (with GF of course, see below please). My personnal feeling and I'm very sorry to say that, is that some people within official bodies in France are praying that these boxes shall never be found. The "C dans l'air" talkshow of the 16th of June was titled : AF447 corpses are "speaking" (still watchable in its integrality but not for long I'm fraid because it's reduced after a while) C dans l'air - France 5 Well only the fact that bodies were found 80km apart was discussed but nothing else interesting and, rather amazingly no doctors expert in autopsy were present. At the very last seconds of the talkshow there's a SMS question : Is the BEA independant from manufacturers, economic pressure or Grandes Ecoles? Answer by GF ( not FG this time...): No.....the BEA is (people starting to smile) influenced by nobody...heu yes it's the contrary, it's independant. Phew! About the BEA. Some months ago their internet address was Bienvenue sur le site du Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses http://www.bea-fr.org/ (yes .org !)to underline their total and absolute independancy from any States, Authorities and lobbies whatsoever. This address/URL has changed (redirected) but if you still type it like this (or follow the link) you will reach the site. For how long? The BEA is depending of course of the Civil Aviation General Direction (DGAC) subsidiary of the French Ministry of Transport. We do not know the exact constitution of the investigation team. Who they are is a mistery. BEA is not the NTSB. Nothing on its site about that. Is there any member(s) of Airbus and/or AF, the answer is yes or very likely no, but normal ordinary French citizen still don't know about that. But the BEA is independant. Like in any modern western countries. BEA has announced that it will try to publish a report before the end of June. It simply forget to mention that it is ICAO mandatory to publish an "intermediary" one within one month of an aviation accident. What we know is that Paul-Louis Arslanian is the Chairman of the BEA. There was a press conference yesterday hold at the BEA office at Le Bourget. Nothing special happens except that BEA is saying that they know nothing about the bodies recovered. It can't be serious because we read these informations via the internet from Brazilian side. PLA is very displeased because the Brazilian medical team has forbidden to a BEA expert to enter their forensic laboratory at Recife. There are already 3 French experts in the place who are working with the Brazilian specialists but the BEA wanted their one to participate. PLA became nervous near the end of this recording: YouTube - Conf de presse du Bea sur AF447 news BFM 170609 When a Brazilian journalist asked a question (+5mn47sec). We can hardly hear the question (in French) of the journalist but PLA said that he doesn't speak Brazilian (this journalist spoke a perfect French) and somehow abruptly give the parole to another journalist. This new journalist (female) questionned PLA on something ( I could not understand because journalists did not have a microphone) and he became irritated again. At +2'34'' he said something about bodies "Tous les corps qui sont ou seront trouvés seront récupérés." "all bodies that are found or will be found will be recovered" We can then hear some people starting to laugh. Later on (+5'00) he said that "May be we are effectively approaching a little bit more of the goal" : "on se rapproche peut-être effectivement un peu du but" (with a restrained smile). About the forensic specialists : Le Figaro - Flash actu : AF 447: couac entre le Brésil et le BEA sorry everything is in French but at least for the newspapers there are easy way to translate. ------------------- http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2008/AAIR/pdf/AO2008070_interim.pdf Satire: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/investigators_determine_air_france http://www.smartcockpit.com/plane/airbus/A330/ http://photobucket.com/af447 http://s635.photobucket.com/albums/uu79/DorianBanks/?action=view¤t=caboclo_nova2.jpg http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-121.html#post5023144 pinger signal located http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-122.html 20090703 Report is published http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/376433-af447-now-added-preliminary-report-136.html http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/f-cp090601e1.en/pdf/f-cp090601e1.en.pdf 20110405 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xYTApQV9sQ&NR=1 Air France Plane Crash Parts, Bodies Found Undersea robots have located bodies, motors and a "large part" of an Air France jet that plunged into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, but haven't yet found its black box flight recorders, French officials said Monday. (April 4) http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/update-underwater-robots-find-airline-wreckag 20110430 http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/flight-crash-mystery-robots-find-air-france-f Flight crash mystery: Robots find Air France flight recorder but key memory part missing http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.af.447/info29april2011.en.php 20110501 http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/info01mai2011.en.php Flight data recorder memory module found and recovered. 20110516 http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.af.447/info16may2011.en.php BEA 16 May 2011 briefing Following operations to open, extract, clean and dry the memory cards from the flight recorders, BEA Safety Investigators were able to download the data over the weekend. These operations were filmed and recorded in their entirety. This was done in the presence of two German investigators from BFU, an American investigator from NTSB, two British investigators from AAIB and two Brazilian investigators from CENIPA, as well as an officer from the French judicial police and a court expert. These downloads gathered all of the data from the Flight Data recorder (FDR), as well as the whole recording of the last two hours of the flight from the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR). In the framework of the safety investigation directed by the BEA, all of this data will now be subjected to detailed in-depth analysis. This work will take several weeks, after which a further interim report will be written and then published during the summer. (Also has links to videos of FDR, CVR & pieces recovery from sea floor) 20110517 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-16/air-france-crash-data-audio-retrieved-from-black-boxes.html Air France Crash Audio Pulled From Boxes Investigators of the Air France Flight 447 crash in 2009 said they successfully recovered the full contents of the black-box flight data and voice recorders. The flight parameters and cockpit audio from the black boxes, recovered this month from the bottom of the Atlantic, will be analyzed for an interim report to be published in “several weeks,” France’s BEA air-accident investigation bureau said today in an e-mailed statement. 20110528 http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.af.447/info27may2011.en.php 27 May 2011 briefing Faced with the regular disclosure of partial and often approximate information since 16 May, the BEA wished to publish this note so as to inform the families of the victims and the public about the first facts established, based on analysis of the data from the flight recorders, which started on 14 May for the FDR and 15 May for the CVR. This note describes in a factual manner the chain of events that led to the accident and presents newly established facts. The initial analyses will be developed in a further interim report that is scheduled to be published towards the end of July. Only after long and detailed investigative work will the causes of the accident be determined and safety recommendations issued, this being the main mission of the BEA. The latter will be included in the final report. http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/point.enquete.af447.27mai2011.en.pdf http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/447730-af447-wreckage-found-33.html http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/456874-af-447-thread-no-5-a.html AF 447 Thread No. 5 With index of other threads and references.